Which is probably why they didnt. Legendary strawmans a better name for you. Its not close. Braves may as well just blow past the tax. Time will tell whether Max Fried and Dansby Swanson also factor into the teams long-term plans. Baez currently is one of the worst hitting SS in MLB. Between the four teams, he went 3-7 with a 2.64 ERA, 153 strikeouts, and 94 innings pitched. Hopefully Strider has a great career and its not an issue, but if it goes poorly thats not going to be a fun contract to have on the books in 2026-2028. For fans of baseballtradevalues.com, dont be surprised if he has negative $30M in value by 2025 when he has TJ surgery, misses a year and hes not quite as successful during his third or fourth pass through the league. Strider burst on the scene this year as he posted a 2.67 ERA with 202 strikeouts over 31 appearances (20 starts), becoming the first Braves rookie in the Modern Era to have a 200-strikeout season. Players dont sign extensions to be traded. Because they didnt try to Kris Bryant him it has no bearing on his service time or his Super Two status. The braves do like to buy out arbitration years where they can. Around $150 million for those 7 seasons. The Braves and Swanson have publicly expressed mutual interest in a new contract, but getting something done would likely send the Braves soaring over the $200MM mark in terms of their bottom-line payroll while also pushing them into the general vicinity of the first luxury tax threshold for the first time ever. If you think he deserves his contract, you are as tone-def as you are capable of catching a pun! You didnt just say Strider was better then Degrom and Bauer. Only one thing is certain: his grandmother is a huge Cleveland Indians fan. Darius Vines, RHP 5. But Wont cripple the team either way & theyve locked up a young core. The information does not usually directly identify you, but it can give you a more personalised web experience. A total of $78.475 mm. The Super 2 status means more than 2 year and less than 3 years. Many historical player head shots courtesy of David Davis. Thats more than any other team in baseball. When hes banging 25-30 HRs, hell be at best a mid-.800 OPS, nowhere near the $40M/year people believe he will get! The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, Salaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses. Good deal for both sides. The next time you attempt to impersonate a teacher, use of correct grammar and word definition might lessen your chance of being subjected to ridicule and the embarrassing eyerolls from those subjected to your pompous bloviations. Im a huge mets fan but the braves are the best run organization in baseball by far. Nothing like leaning $15M/year against the cap instead of $1M by rushing to make a long-term deal with almost no chance of it showing positive value! Padres fans loved it in 2017 when they locked him up, but carrying the last 3 years of that deal was brutal for them. I mean, kudos to the Braves for being aggressive and theyre certainly taking on risk of injury / under-performance, but seems some of the extensions the players have signed seem light. While I did admire Matt Harvey in his early prime he really did a lot of stupid things. The Braves have zero middle infield prospects on their top 4 mil teams. Ill I know is Harvey dominated in playoffs and Strider just got lit up. Worry about your own team of aging stars and average players. Howd that one play out? Waves of injuries can derail any team at any time, but health-permitting, the Braves are going to be good for a long, long time. To be totally honest, its not the least bit justifiable in any light. I think thats not quite that straightforward. It does not credit a player with two years of service time if they start the season on the ML roster AND place top 2 in the ROY balloting. Must be a great place to play if they can get all these young guys to sign for long term. Looking more immediately down the line, the Braves already have $153MM on next years payroll and nearly $110MM on the 2024 payroll. Harvey was highly regarded as top prospect while Strider was considered middle reliever until may. Strider earned his first and only win of the season on the final day of the season while pitching in relief for the Mets. That means he will have 2.003 so he will qualify for Super Two. Two east coast teams in ATL/PHI with two west coast teams in LAD/SD pretty much guarantees youre going to go in this order. Watch our How-To Videos to Become a Stathead, Subscribe to Stathead and get access to more data than you can imagine. Every FA in Swansons class is going to be more expensive than he will. You are right about Striders value potentially increasing. Braves fans awoke on Monday looking forward to learning more about Striders health and potential availability during the NLDS. I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. Swansons best year is his contract year, and even then its only a 115 OPS+ (when 100 is league average). So basically they guaranteed his arbitration scale in exchange for an extra year, with an option for another year for more money. Yeah Strider might get bonuses but it wouldnt be coming from the Braves, it would be coming from the league as a whole. Smith-Shawver, RHP 6. Besides, adding a couple extra free agent years at close to market value on a later extension is absolutely worth it if he is indeed for real. So the Braves just paid $35 mil for 1 free agent year of Strider, set* Im not getting an edit button for some reason. Grissom has about as much chance of playing a capable ML SS as a fan picked at random when they come through the gate. Braves righty Spencer Strider has been put on the 15-day injured list with a strained oblique muscle. That kind of evaluation has gotten the Tigers and Red Sox stuck w/those two. 2024: minimum This year they got a weak season from Acuna, and they won 101 games and the division. Conversely, How about them Mets? This is going to be the Kevin Brown deal that literally changed the market in a day. (Strider is currently at 1.003 years.) To be fair, theyve made it much more difficult on fans. Corbin Burnes is entering his 5th full season and 2nd pass through arbitration, which is only projected to pay him $11.3M. Then blew it against the Braves and then against the Pads. Agree MFF. The 2029 club option gives the Braves control over what wouldve been Striders second free-agent campaign. There were talks mentioned in August and no deal was done. Thats stupid-economics! No one here, or elsewhere, has any idea how that process is currently going w/Swanson. Cohen doesnt care. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. Hes allergic to walks. Acuna contract was great. Hell outspend the Dodgers on infrastructure and payroll on his way to becoming the 3rd superteam in the NL. Sure, but yeah, lets compare his hit totals today which rewards the Rob Deers of the world versus Ty Cobbs and George Sislers era where whole teams hit 15-25 homeruns in a season. He wouldnt get anywhere near the same amount of extra money in bonuses, and thats assuming he remains good enough to get additional bonuses after this year. Thats the reverse logic he was trying to calculate for, but that doesnt make sense! Definitely one of the best pitchers in the game but when it truly matters he crumbled. Adding that extra year of service time will make him eligible. Still waiting to see the projection where two arb years are the same, factoring in the obligatory TJ surgery. MLB 4.05M subscribers Subscribe 3.1K Share 120K views 5 months ago Don't forget to subscribe!. What does a 29 year old with 1 year of control have to do with a 23 year old with 5 years of control left? The league would never agree to that. His decline in velocity at the end of his outing may just be a conditioning issue due to his inactivity. So by that logic, if you are making $500K/year, you would buy a Snickers bar for $10 because you have lots of money? Its still a win for both player and team, but the glut of long-term deals does inflate the Braves luxury ledger more quickly than a year-by-year approach would. Late in February, Spencer proposed to Maggie Whitener, and the two are now happily married. Not sure who he /them is/are, but I betcha Freddie wishes he wouldve had him/them last off season. The Silver Strider is a nickname for Spencer Strider. The Braves' 2022 season has been nothing short of impressive. Mets fans are horrible (imo) bc all they do is whine BUT they show up and support their team (while still whining). Have a better case that shows why you would gamble paying $53M for three arb years to save $8M in free agency? They also made a couple great trades getting future star players that wear near MLB ready (Dansby/Fried). Soto himself did not have a top 5 MVP finish this year for example. BTV? I dont know anything about bonuses with adjustments made to the new CBA. Rich teams have figured this out. Comedic relief regularly inserted by some sneaky good commenters. Do you have a blog? Missing 1 seasons worth of games over the length of it (this doesnt seem that hard to imagine with pitchers being pitchers) makes this go from ok to bad real quick. They arent regretting losing Rendon. Genuinely curious. You dont need to extend Grissom. AA said as much in his interviews today when discussing Striders health, work habits, team fit, and overall excellence for his age. Because Strider spent the whole season in the majors anyway it has no effect on him. He would have been Arb 1 eligible after 2024. He will receive an extra year of service time for that. Full-year historical Major League statistics provided by Pete Palmer and Gary Gillette of Hidden Game Sports. The Braves are taking the approach knowing that not all of these deals will pay out, including Striders. If youre a Tigers fan, you probably should hope Baez opts out after 2023. These deals take trust on both sides. If he is 2nd in ROY he is credited with a full year of service so he definitely would NOT be a Super Two. Put those around 4m for a typical, good player, making it.$69m for Striders first 6 seasons. This allows them to trade for players like raisel iglesias who have extra years remaining on their contracts. Ride along with Braves pitcher Spencer Strider as he talks about what it's like playing at the big-league level, his favorite music to play on days he starts. Many of the projections I saw had the Braves winning the division. early opt out year, incentives based on GG, SS, ASG, MVP votes. Really only has 6 seasons in the ML. Nonetheless, as weve seen with young position players in recent years, the market for these types of extensions can still advance rapidly. Braves have got it going on. To your point, Strider hasnt come close to earning it, hes shown PROMISE, not sustained success. Obviously there are others, but these two usually seem to have reasonable and unbiased thoughts on their rivals. If Free Agents make $40M in five years, if hes healthy, if he remains productive. Now stand in the corner and think about what youve learned today. Actually they did.. Youre ignoring hes going to be Top 3 in the ROY so hes going to get granted an extra year of service time. Is your life so empty that you pore over comments in three week old articles in search of targets for your insults? Anyone signing him to a Story like deal feels like a major overpay. Weve seen PLENTY of great rookie seasons by SP and most of the time they dont last 3 more years of that elite level. Strider will be a Super Two if he stays on the MLB roster all of next season, so that would have raised his prices in arbitration by a huge margin. Great job by signing Strider to an extension. Spencer Strider is on Instagram at spencerstrider. $1M (2024) I mean I wouldnt even extend a player if they are going to get 85% or more of their contract by going year to year. Hopefully he also didnt mean Scherzer, one terrible wildcard game from an elite pitcher like him still doesnt make him crap. Albies was cheap and smart. Braves should stay as far away from Correas mercenary thoughts (and bad back) as possible. Getting to 94 is almost 7 mph slower than his typical top fastball. But they have shown the willingness to lock up their young stars. 22,552nd in major league history) Who doesnt believe that the Tigers have serious buyers remorse on Baez? They were 6.5 games ahead of the Braves on August 7. Thats worrisome! Does AA hypnotize these guys agents when theyre in the waiting room? Doesnt take a genius to see which one is better for the team. The average Plug and Play Tech Center hourly pay ranges from approximately $22 per hour for an Intern - Hourly to $69 per hour for a Partner Success Manager. Spencer Strider (left) and Michael Harris II are vying to give the Braves their seventh National League Rookie of the Year. If Strider had 1.169 time on the MLB roster, then hed be a candidate for Super-Two next year, but hes got 1.003, so he wouldnt ever be classified Super-Two unless they send him down. You? Swanson is probably walking. Draft: Drafted by the Cleveland Indians in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB June Amateur Draft from Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN) and the Atlanta Braves in the 4th round of the 2020 MLB June Amateur Draft from Clemson University (Clemson, SC). The estimates above are crazy. Dont see how it could be an issue. Meanwhile the Mets toss money at aging crap. The Apple games are exclusives and are blacked out to anyone subscribing to MLB.tv (or regional cable: Bally, in the Braves case) further diluting the market. Matt Harvey was better at this stage of his career. Look at the alternative, pay for TOR stuff like DET did in the offseason with Rodriguez (5 years/77M) and he was AWOL for much of the season in the 1st year of his deal. He started the season in Atlanta. If youre going to belittle someone while claiming to have knowledge of their inferior educational level, you should probably try spelling your insults correctly. Anyone who signs Judge will definitely regret that deal in a couple years! Won a World Series last year. Striders is fine assuming he doesnt turn into what every Atlanta farm system pitcher turns into, which is garbage in 3 years. Its amazing how many people are just totally willing to ignore the possibility of injury or decline in performance despite the dozens and dozens of examples weve seen. Thank god, the contract was signed today based on his performance this year. Jared Shuster, LHP 4. He divides his timing between the four MLB teams, but one thing is certain. Now if the Braves had Kris Bryanted Strider he would have finished 2024 with just under 3 years of service time and would have been a Super Two that offseason, not the 23-24 offseason. Salary, Earnings Spencer Strider undoubtedly earns a substantial sum of money from his sole career in baseball. His first full year starting he had a 4.02 ERA. If he got close to sniffing free agency, he would have demanded two or three times what we are going to be paying him. I used Harvey as a buyer beware caution notice. Even if you assume he will get less than Soto for whatever reason, then $7+mm, $14+mm, $22+mm, and $30+mm is extremely reasonable. Because he is a likely ROY finalist, if the Braves manipulated his service time all of that would remain exactly the same. See more salaries for 2021. AAs notoriously quiet when negotiating. Theyre both at hpme.. And Strider got lit up, choking in the only important game hes ever pitched in. Hes the steady eddie kind of player that gets under valued by fans. Again, he is NOT a Super Two, and you cant in any way assume that he will continue to remain this good. He is getting more then 3 years. He made his MLB debut in 2021 and now plays for the Mississippi Braves, Gwinnett Stripers, Augusta GreenJackets, and Rome Braves. Why would Swanson get Story or Baez money? $35 million is reasonable figure for FA. Seems like a good deal for both sides. Spencer Strider made last year. Lol at a Met fan claiming another teams farm system pitcher turns into.garbage. Say hello to the countless Met pitchers that have done exactly that. I agree, Dorothy. Cashman still living off of the Coattails of the late 90s Yankee teams and Derek Jeter. Hes a rookie. Much of the play-by-play, game results, and transaction information both shown and used to create certain data sets was obtained free of charge from and is copyrighted by RetroSheet. If we remove his first-full season clunker in 2017 and fold in 2022, hes still only at a league-average 100. He is definitely a Super Two candidate. It was that year I knew hed be a douchebag for being a Yankee bandwagoner in SoCal. The net effect of them not manipulating his service time is that they get an extra draft pick as per the new CBA. $2M (2024) Baez/Story trending down, Swanson up. even $50M. I guess thats why you make comments without referencing who you are talking about or what makes you an expert. I see Grissom in the outfield with Harris/Acuna next year. While he had great numbers, it was in 2/3 of a season and I have to believe those strikeouts fall off with general usage and fatigue, while also becoming more hittable as his velo drops and his breaking balls lose shape. Since Strider got a full year already based on service time it has no bearing here. Braves are the smartest team in baseball. It made them woke enough to move the all star game, but now they are ok? For everyone that doesnt get why this contract is bad. Same. Speak for yourself. Atlanta Braves rookie pitcher Spencer Strider had himself a day against the Reds on Saturday - he struck out 11 hitters in just six innings of work and got the win to improve to 4-2 on the. . And like I said before, he wouldnt even qualify for the ERA title. Is MLB ok with them now? Knowing you have certain players locked allows for more flexibility. You sound like you have a community college education in accounting. Thanks. I watched my home team in my home market on it myself without paying a dime or being blacked out. Spencer Strider has a net worth of $1,167,934. As usual, i was right. Catcher Shea Langeliers and pitcher Spencer Strider, two of the top prospects in the Atlanta Braves organization, have joined the Gwinnett Stripers for the final five home games of 2021. Thats hilarious. Youd think some of these young Braves players would want to bet on themselves by waiting a few years. Strider finished with a 11-5 record, 2.62 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP through 31 games. You have? If you look at the Braves team what they have done extremely well is develop players. Without the extension, Strider would have been eligible for free agency after the '27 season. Will make luxury tax teams wary of him. Thats only free agent contracts. . Lets say he got 15% less than Soto, which if he continues to play like he did in 2022 is not likely, that would mean his one pre-arb year and his 4 arb years would look like this: Braves lock up Spencer Strider with a $75 million, 6-year contract - The Boston Globe A decision will be made Tuesday morning as to Spencer Strider's availability for the NL Division Series.. Since 2020 was a short season lets take the last 4 seasons. Lets keep the core together. Other then that what aging crap did we sign? Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREEYour All-Access Ticket to the Baseball Reference Database. Let's check, How Rich is Efra, Duane Theiss estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. As of January 2022, 23% of starting pitchers in MLB and 26% of all pitchers have had TJ surgery. Jealousys an ugly emotion. $140 per post at $7/CPM. Factor in the Braves are assuming all of the risk hell continue to pitch at an elite level for 5 straight years to top it off, which is no guarantee. Back when Acuna signed his eight-year, $100MM extension, that was the largest deal ever for a position player with under a year of big league service. What about Georgias racist voting rights? If you agree, than stop knit-picking what everyone else says. Rookie starter Spencer Strider set a Braves record with 16 strikeouts in eight dominant innings during a 3-0 win over the Rockies on Thursday night. Still, given the general excellence of this group, its impossible not to be bullish on the teams future. Its just false. Im doing the same at the end of October. He definitely cant play 2B, and doubt hes any better at SS. In a time in baseball when contact is of the least importance and shifts were used at an all-time high, why players refused to adjust to defensive alignments. Strider returned from his injury in 2020 and was later picked in the fourth round of the MLB 2020 draft by the Atlanta Braves, with whom he eventually signed a contract. The Marlins simply smell. The Braves seem like they are making all these extensions so their front office can spend the next 4 winters in Bermuda instead of working. That is a bad assumption. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. Your login session has expired. A bonus is a bonus. That means he had a good year, unlike 2022. Strider and Braves teammate Michael Harris II are very likely to finish first and second in the NL Rookie of the Year voting in either. We already know its you. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. The contract will cost him $92 million if he exercises his option for seven years. The Mets only have one tool in the toolbox and that tool is green if you know what I mean. The standard Super Two pay scale for him for his remaining years is: $0.7M (league minimum) The backend of this deal reminds me of Wil Myers, only in the sense that you have 3 years of $20M+ that start multiple years after the extension was reached. Spencer Strider is currently the starting pitcher position for the Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league of the United States. LOL best rookie season ever. Cano signed with Seattle, the Mets were just dumb enough to trade for him. Was hoping this thread would continue without trolls insulting one another instead of adding actual substance to their argument. With Striders salaries now set through the 2028 season, the Braves, incredibly, already have $76MM on the books six years down the line. If thats true, the Braves would essentially be punting their $20M financial gain on his first FA year and option year. Lots and lots and lots of people that dont realize what being in the top 2 of ROY voting means for service time. If he spent the whole season on the major league roster he is definitely NOT a Super Two. He also only had 10 starts. Fried is also entering his 5th full season but his 3rd arb year and hes set to make $12.2M for an All-Star appearance, 2 GG, 1 SS, and a career FIP of 3.30. Strider is a lock to be Top 2 in ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. You take risks to lock down his first 2 years of FA. If youre going to give out a big extension like this, you should wait until after hes played three years or at least two to make sure hes for real, especially if youre only getting one or two free agent years in exchange. The Yankees have the fattest wallets, anywhere but NY wasnt really an option. Already Subscribed? PinkFloyed is also excellent. He has not provided any specifics about his life, including his parents and siblings details, as well as any history linked with his youth. The only other way to get that channel is to splurge on the ridiculously overpriced cable providers with their ever-escalating fees. Get it done AA. Spencer Strider, ATL. It was a tough choice passing on the Yankees, but he wanted to experience college. He made $8 mil last year and $17 mil this year. Vons king of the hill when it comes to Phils fans on here. Says who? One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams. His current contract terms are 6 yrs/$75M (23-28) & 29 team option. If Spencer doesnt get any better than he currently is, hes still an ace. But most importantly it sets bad precedent for the rest of the league for one team to save a few million dollars. Riley had two seasons under his belt, Olson five seasons and the Acuna and Ozzie contracts are both highway robbery for the Braves. You could risk buying the ticket at the ball game, but it comes with a 10% day-of-purchase fee. Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. Everything can be considered in arbitration. More importantly, has anybody ever heard of Chris Davis? Wonder why they stupid overpay for him? But I wonder if a team can reach a point that they have too many of these deals and can could reduce their roster flexibility down the road. Its not their young pitching, its pitching in general. 1 Freddie Freeman, 1B, LAD. $12.5 million a year is nothing in 2022 MLB. Were talking about a position player who finished top 5 MVP both seasons leading into the arb years. Well strider pitched last year too. Soto put up an .853 OPS and 149 OPS+. He has recorded 10 or more strikeouts in a game six times this season, including twice this month -- striking out 16 against the Colorado Rockies on Sept. 1, and 10 in his most recent start Sunday against the Phillies. Inning 3: Salary-cap drafts Inning 4: Preparation . Born: Besides, they could just as easily lock up those years of free agency at a somewhat higher but much less risky price by just waiting a year or two to make sure hes for real.

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